tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post1971798122557929591..comments2024-03-10T20:46:19.274-04:00Comments on In the Middle: The Map of Love: Let Us Now Speak of FathersCord J. Whitakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06224143153295429986noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-45901437870828283822008-06-19T02:14:00.000-04:002008-06-19T02:14:00.000-04:00Haaaa! True that. My favourite thing to do once I ...Haaaa! True that. <BR/><BR/>My favourite thing to do once I got my driver's licence was to take the little Honda Civic (or massive Ford Windstar, whatever uncool car was available to me in other words) and drive around on a Sunday afternoon listening to the Toronto classic rock station. Several Doors songs were guaranteed, and if I was lucky they'd play the full version of In A Gada Da Vida.<BR/><BR/>As to the Ionesco quote -- I've often thought that if you're actually from Eastern Europe, you realize all that stuff is profoundly realist. It just so happens that the only kinds of texts which can describe our reality seem surreal in the rest of the world...ihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105686105741162480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-2435874403003821582008-06-18T21:53:00.000-04:002008-06-18T21:53:00.000-04:00I think what I'm really trying to say is . . . gen...I think what I'm really trying to say is . . . genetics rule. Biology *is* destiny.Eileen Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756965845120441308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-18445599360131544582008-06-18T19:23:00.000-04:002008-06-18T19:23:00.000-04:00Irina: yes, I like Ionesco, too, and for one of my...Irina: yes, I like Ionesco, too, and for one of my courses last semester--ENG441B, Contemporary Fiction: Fantastic/Slipstream/Realism--I used a quotation from Ionesco on the syllabus:<BR/><BR/>"Realism . . . falls short of reality. It shrinks it, attenuates it, falsifies it; it does not take into account our basic truths and our fundamental obsessions: love, death, astonishment. It presents man in a reduced and estranged perspective. Truth is in our dreams, in the imagination."<BR/><BR/>As to your question,<BR/><BR/>"I sometimes wonder what my life would have been like if I'd been sneaking drugs and sex instead of books,"<BR/><BR/>well, let's see . . . like me, who spent most of her high school years driving too fast in her souped up Gran Torino listening to 8-track tapes of Whitesnake and Van Halen, you would have ended up, like me, as, um, a scholar and teacher of medieval literature--make that Old English literature.Eileen Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756965845120441308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-73255196992580971662008-06-18T16:02:00.000-04:002008-06-18T16:02:00.000-04:00Eileen, you like Ionesco too? Ok, I take everythin...Eileen, you like Ionesco too? Ok, I take everything back, we're soulmates again. I've actually been known to drive around with a hundred books in my car as well -- it was called orals summer, and I spent it in a cottage in the woods near Plymouth, MA with a friend whose grandparents owned the place. The cottage had a separate little one-room cabin which her great grandfather, a dean of Harvard, had used to write his books in. We spent a full day cleaning out all the spiders and muck and setting up my books in it, but in the end, I wound up reading most of the stuff by the lake. (There's a picture of me in a bikini reading Beowulf that rather amused a recent editor of that poem.) I made hummus, ate lobsters, and fell in love with James Baldwin. Lord I miss orals summer.<BR/><BR/>MK, I guess we're soulmates too. I sometimes wonder what my life would have been like if I'd been sneaking drugs and sex instead of books.ihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105686105741162480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-10835601057183234112008-06-18T14:07:00.000-04:002008-06-18T14:07:00.000-04:00Beautiful post, Eileen. As for books -- ah, the jo...Beautiful post, Eileen. <BR/><BR/>As for books -- ah, the joy that's there. I'm going to sneak out of my parents's house today on behalf of books: I'm claiming a "administrative/dissertation day" away from the ZSR library to recover from a trip to Eastern NC, but I think reading this post will necessitate a trip to the used book store over by WFU. In college, I was the student who took out the most books from the library over the course of four years. It was a bit of a competition with a fellow history major at the end there -- but two senior theses later he just couldn't compete anymore. <BR/><BR/>And of course, working in Rare Books just keeps the obsession with books coming. <BR/><BR/>Although, truth be told, I'm more with Irina in terms of collecting books -- I blame my mother on that count, though. From the day she bought me my first Folio-published set of the collected plays of Shakespeare, there's been no turning back. And Irina, I'm so glad to see someone else with the "sneak the books into the house" problem. I was consistently doing that with books through most of my teenage years. There's a good reason I didn't have much of a social life back then!Mary Kate Hurleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14892991966276345782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-82875050585691751942008-06-18T13:06:00.000-04:002008-06-18T13:06:00.000-04:00Irina: I'm glad to hear you're not prissy about ha...Irina: I'm glad to hear you're not prissy about handling your books. Mine have wine stains, coffee stains, and sometimes I find old bus and train tickets in them, etc. Once, in my first-edition copy of Nigel Nicholson's "Portrait of a Marriage" [about his parents Harold Nicholson and Vita Sackville-West] I found a cocktail-stained napkin from Mr. Henry's on Pennsylvania Avenue [Wash, DC], from about 1985, on which I had written, "I love this book."<BR/><BR/>I myself am very mobile and rely a LOT on libraries here and there for my reading & research materials. And I have been known to cart a 100 or so books in my car [since where I am in S. Carolina cannot even be considered close to anything like a "real" library].<BR/><BR/>But are you sure we are no longer soulmates even though we have that Borges/Ionesco/Cortazar connection? How sad.Eileen Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756965845120441308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-77580537585271397332008-06-18T10:43:00.000-04:002008-06-18T10:43:00.000-04:00Okay, Eileen, we're totally not soulmates anymore....Okay, Eileen, we're totally not soulmates anymore. Are you trying to tell me you actually care about *people* more than books? Sounds fishy to me.<BR/><BR/>Actually, it's really gotten to be a disease with me. I can't let go of books. Which means that my father, who is the guardian of my collection, has twice moved about 2000 books. They now have a home in his basement. The other 1400 or so are with me in New York. The rest of the collection is scattered in Bucharest, Berlin, Konstanz, New Haven, and other parts of Toronto. Do you know how annoying it is to want to read a book but know that your copy is in *Bucharest*? And this is how I wind up having doubles.<BR/><BR/>I've always admired people who can stay mobile, and just keep a compact collection of literary flowers. And I have gotten a little better at travelling -- that is, I have all the necessary German libraries bookmarked, and check before I leave if they have the books and journals I think I'll need. But I love the physical aspect of the books I own much too much to do anything like a serious culling.<BR/><BR/>(That said, I should add that I'm totally not prissy about handling the books. They get to go everywhere dirty and messy, their spines get broken, they get read in the bathtub and their pages wrinkle, and after I had a prof who specialized in marginalia, I started writing on the things too. So no first editions or fancy books for me -- I like the ones that get old.)irinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367550625985786599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-39916448014267618372008-06-17T19:26:00.000-04:002008-06-17T19:26:00.000-04:00Well, Irina, I was wondering when you would *final...Well, Irina, I was wondering when you would *finally* be convinced, but do remember that I am indiscriminate with my soulmates, or so I have been accused. Your story about your grandfather is lovely. My relationship to my father's bibliophilia is a bit more complicated--perhaps because it was too close to me--and I have spent much of my life actively shucking and re-selling large portions of my library. I never want to have too many books although, at any given moment, I have quite a few, but I am also always selling them off/giving them away, etc. So I always have roughly the same number of books--most of them borrowed from libraries--and whenever I visit scholar- and writer-friends, like Karl and his wife Alison, I marvel at the books--so many! I don't really collect books; I collect persons [haha].Eileen Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756965845120441308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-57438186786864497132008-06-17T06:36:00.000-04:002008-06-17T06:36:00.000-04:00what a wonderful post - thank you! makes me think ...what a wonderful post - thank you! makes me think of my own father, who recently visited and infuriated me no end, but is original, odd, wonderful, good-hearted.melihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10026675747253438229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-37517156763553106212008-06-17T06:25:00.000-04:002008-06-17T06:25:00.000-04:00Ok, now I'm convinced, we really are soulmates.Whe...Ok, now I'm convinced, we really are soulmates.<BR/><BR/>When I was sixteen I went to Romania, and when I stepped into my late grandfather's study, I understood so many of my obsessions. He not only had his bookshelves filled with books, but they were two layers deep (and with books on top of each layer), just as mine were. He had boxes of pens and pencils of all sorts of colours, just as I did. And he had tons of little notebooks half-filled with phrases and vocabulary in foreign languages... just as I did. I stepped into this one room, and suddenly I made *sense*.<BR/><BR/>When I was a teenager, and I went on a bookbuying spree, I'd come in the house and leave the bag of books near the door before I went to greet my family. The idea was to hide them so I could pick them up later, without them noticing how many more books I'd brought into the house. My grandmother noticed this, and told me how my grandfather would come home and keep the book he'd just bought hidden behind his back as he kissed her.irinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367550625985786599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-13805409507737085082008-06-16T18:49:00.000-04:002008-06-16T18:49:00.000-04:00Karma: thanks for the comment. My father and mothe...Karma: thanks for the comment. My father and mother have [and had] a unique approach to parenting: they never let us know what they were really thinking. As regards our various acts of juvenile deliquency, they were so mellow that the word "mellow" does not even begin to sum it up. They let us do everything and secretly prayed we would turn out all right. But they just never believed in telling us what to do, or not do. Thank god.Eileen Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756965845120441308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-49304153032061924532008-06-16T10:28:00.000-04:002008-06-16T10:28:00.000-04:00Very nice post. Somewhere I have a picture of me ...Very nice post. Somewhere I have a picture of me in high school with a paint-marker hangover, Flock of Seagulls hair, lots of bracelets made of paper clips and beer can tabs, and a copy of Cavafy translations atop my unread Algebra book. I passed two whole classes that year. My father was much less understanding than yours :-)Karmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09651110371762568682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-6423186035843851282008-06-16T09:47:00.000-04:002008-06-16T09:47:00.000-04:00Lovely post, EJ, and great photos.Lovely post, EJ, and <I>great</I> photos.Karl Steelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353370018006849747noreply@blogger.com