tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post3458507288499768502..comments2024-03-10T20:46:19.274-04:00Comments on In the Middle: David Bell's Wholly Animals: A Book of Beastly TalesCord J. Whitakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06224143153295429986noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-59616367804810636162010-01-26T14:51:46.767-05:002010-01-26T14:51:46.767-05:00Nice little post Karl. Thanks, too, for the commen...Nice little post Karl. Thanks, too, for the comment explicating carnophallogocentrism in its relation especially to human others.<br /><br />It's interesting, there are some saints whose proximity to the divine diminish their humanity (Celia, for example, relentless in her drive), and others whose foibles keep them grounded in the human (Columba, maybe, who can be as perturbed at the coming spilling of his inkpot [which he foresees but cannot prevent] as he can with battles and invasions. <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=LDMuNMNyGC4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=medieval+identity+machines&ei=ZEdfS676J57UNM-a1JcD&cd=1#v=onepage&q=loch%20ness&f=false" rel="nofollow">As one of the credulous</a> I have to say that I find the pagans here in general not especially dehumanized or different from Columba -- his mission, after all, is often to proselytize them, and they seem worth saving (though no big deal if they are not).Jeffrey Cohenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17346504393740520542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-15371647392589029192010-01-24T15:32:11.407-05:002010-01-24T15:32:11.407-05:00And I should make it clear, just in case, that I d...And I should make it clear, just in case, that I don't see Hayles as a proponent of the outmoded disembodied AI: on the contrary!Karl Steelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353370018006849747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-67467278606210115182010-01-24T15:26:25.872-05:002010-01-24T15:26:25.872-05:00Bell's audience? Your guess is as good as mine...Bell's audience? Your guess is as good as mine. I suppose animal lovers of all sorts, but particularly religious animal lovers. To his credit, Bell, although pious, is ecumenically pious: he draws in stories from Christian, Jewish, and Islamic traditions, and is happy to let his praise land just as ecumenically (as cited above, he's contemptuous of Bernard of Clairvaux--which, given the publisher, might explain why the book's gone out of print!--and praises Rumi enthusiastically). But he does the translations himself, and he provides citations and notes, so it's still well suited for classroom use. Or it would be, were it still in print.<br /><br />"outmoded AI conceit," namely, that information is disembodied, that consciousness is the foundation of life, and that life can be put willy nilly into any bodily container or transmission device without alteration, and that the development of Artificial Intelligence requires only a development of proper calculating power/networks (see, e.g., 18-19 and 238 in Hayles). AI is now, as least so far I understand it, more cognizant that the body and its mechanisms also have cognitive power. See, for example, the <a href="http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/10040/32215/01511218.pdf&authDecision=-203" rel="nofollow">MechaRoach II</a>:<br /><br />"The locomotion principles that allow cockroaches to make these transitions have been studied and mechanisms using abstractions of those principles have been developed for the robot. These principles include usage of features of leg and foot morphology, leg compliance, gait adaptation, and body flexion. MechaRoach II has a single drive motor, a motor for steering, and a motor to actuate a body flexion joint. The single drive motor powers all six legs, and each leg uses 4-bar mechanisms to recreate cockroach-like foot trajectories."<br /><br />There's no need to program the MechaRoach II to 'think' through its interaction with its environment/body: the build of the body itself does much of the necessary thinking. Outmoded AI, with its disdain for bodies (a disdain it shares with Western Metaphysics), could never have arrived at this solution.Karl Steelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353370018006849747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-48363405189359435802010-01-24T14:57:19.885-05:002010-01-24T14:57:19.885-05:00Karl: thanks for this post on David Bell's boo...Karl: thanks for this post on David Bell's book and for your provocations to thought here; out of curiosity, since this is not an "academic" book, who is Bell's intended audience for the book? Also, could you say more about your phrase "the outmoded AI conceit" [where you also link to Hayles's book "How We Became Posthuman"]--can you unpack just a bit why/how this conceit is outmoded, and how further, it is related/connected to the also supposedly outmoded carnophallogocentism? I know what the AI conceit is and I have read Hayles's book, but I just wanted to hear from you as to how these conceits rest upon the notion, as you put it, that "authentic community and language require disembodiment."Eileen Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756965845120441308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-53642130827305607462010-01-24T10:28:05.248-05:002010-01-24T10:28:05.248-05:00, disarranges the binary of human/animal
Which, I ...<i>, disarranges the binary of human/animal</i><br />Which, I should repeat, is constitutively disarranged, as impossible to sustain or achieve as any binary. The saint, then, is yet another disruptive force, or one that arranges the ideal human/animal binary along different axes, or even renders a binary unthinkable. It certainly seems so to me right now.Karl Steelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353370018006849747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21165575.post-87105341507651743792010-01-24T10:13:51.208-05:002010-01-24T10:13:51.208-05:00The elephant in the room is, of course, the humani...The elephant in the room is, of course, the humanity of the saints. The human is not one. See this discussion of Derrida's coinage 'carnophallogocentrism,' from Matthew Calarco's <i>Zoographies</i>:<br />He has coined the term 'carnophallogocentrism' to refer to this network of relations and in order to highlight the <i>sacrificial</i> (carno), <i>masculine</i> (phallo), and <i>speaking</i> (logo) dimensions of classical conceptions of subjectivity. What Derrida is trying to get at with this concept is how the metaphysics of subjectivity works to exclude not just animals from the status of being full subjects but other beings as well, in particular women, children, various minority groups, other Others who are taken to be lacking in one or another of the basic traits of subjectivity. Just as many animals have and continue to be excluded from basic legal protections, so, as Derrida notes, there have been "many 'subjects' among mankind who are not recognized as subjects" and who receive the same kind of violence typically directed at animals. This would position certain groups of human beings in a similar space of marginalization alongside animals" (131-32).<br /><br />[Calarco's of course not the only one to make this observation: see also Carol Adams, Cary Wolfe, and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dreaded-Comparison-Human-Animal-Slavery/dp/0962449334" rel="nofollow">this book.</a>] To avoid the allegorical, moral, and political capturings of nonhuman life typical of many studies about animals (see the Salter and Alexander), I have avoided talking about the discursive interrelationships between nonhuman life and certain human groups, whether degraded and therefore piglike, or admired and therefore, say, sheep-, eagle- or lionlike. But the saint, positioned as human, but more than human because of its perfect realization of humanity, but more than human, also, because of its participation in divinity, disarranges the binary of human/animal. Where to begin? In relation to a saint, what is the humanity, for example, of the pagans discomfited by Columba's taming of what <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=5Yo9AAAAIAAJ&lpg=PP1&dq=loch%20ness%20monster%20columba&as_brr=3&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q=&f=false" rel="nofollow">some credulous folks think is the first recorded sighting of the Loch Ness monster?</a>Karl Steelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353370018006849747noreply@blogger.com